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No Pasaran

No place for fascism on Glasgows streets.

Buchanan Street in Glasgow has long been a place where political groups of various flavours set up stalls and sell newspapers and political propaganda. Walking down the street on a Saturday afternoon you will find groups such as Glasgow Anarchists, Fight Racism – Fight Imperialism, Socialist Workers Party, Palestinian Solidarity and the Communist Party all distributing political material. The usual place to find these groups is at the junction of Buchanan Street and Gordon Street.

This Saturday, April 5th, however a different political group arrived to hawk their particular message. This group however were not welcome on Buchanan street, or any street for that matter. They are the British National Party, the BNP.

Three of these racist scumbags had decided that they were going to sell the “Voice of Freedom”, the vile hate rag of their party. Word quickly went around the different stalls and a group of ten assorted leftists moved down to surround them and stop them from selling their filth.

The three who were selling papers quickly departed to a slow hand clap from the people of Glasgow. However one particular goon who was talking to them and shaking hands decided to hang around at the junction of Gordon Street and Buchanan Street talking into his mobile phone as if calling for back up, after about ten minutes of glowering at the Anarchist stall and attempting to act menacing he departed to get backup to face the evil lefties. Disappearing into Borders bookstore he shortly returned with backup – his mum.

His mother proceeded to fulfil all the stereotypes of the far right with her ignorance, arrogance, homophobia and blustering. She attempted to pick a fight at the Anarchist stall by tossing leaflets and pamphlets to the floor and calling those on the stall a “bunch of anarchist arse bangers” and other such delightful names. Declaring that her son was not a hooligan and that she was the hooligan. In a show of solidarity people from all the other political stalls quickly came over and proceeded to argue with the woman who claimed that her son was not in the BNP (despite him later saying that he would be putting various peoples pictures on redwatch) and then went on to hit a comrade from the SWP . After about ten minutes of arguing people decided to ignore the scum and get on with the day.

The duo of dimmness hung around for maybe half an hour, threatening to call their lawyer (on a Saturday? Yeah right!) and report the stalls for some undetermined reason that probably made sense to her if not everyone else.

Not long after the gruesome twosome departed news arrived that the three BNP paper sellers had started selling their rags at the junction of Buchanan Street and St. Vincent Street. This time an even larger group of the various left organizations, Anonymous and assorted anti-fascists marched up Buchanan Street and surrounded them.

Chants of “BNP off our streets!” began as various people argued with them and called the BNP out for the scum they are. Having already been moved on once though, they dug their heels in and refused to move, even when the crowd around them swelled with people angered at seeing Nazis on our streets.

Eventually they had their papers taken off them and distributed into the bins. Having no hate rags to sell they then buggered off to a great cheer from all on the street.

We cannot allow these pedlars of hate and bigotry to organize or spread their disease, they must be confronted wherever they rear their ugly, pockmarked heads.

NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISTS!
NO PASARAN!
THEY SHALL NOT PASS!

Comments

Re: No Pasaran

yeah show them the bins!!

okay

how's this?

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And proud of it!!

Power to the people!

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We are extreamly amused...!

good on you ...!!!!!

Keep it up.

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anonymous: did you mean 'throw the bins?'
these twats need a good shoeing!

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"shows that you are scared"

I can't be bothered with any of the stall malarkey, but I’m not scared by the BNP, I feel sorry for them, and their little charcoal hearts.

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So is that you or your mum posting mr buzzcut?

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Oh and by the by the BNP are fascists with a genocidal agenda. They originally split from the National Front as they saw the NF as too moderate. To allow these scum and their ilk to peddle their message of hate is beyond the pale. They want nothing less than totalitarian control over the country.
They have said in thee past that they are opposed to allowing people to vote they are homophobic, racist bigots.
Don't be fooled by their whining about freedom of speech. They are murderous filth, asking for free speech for Fascists is as absurd as demanding free speech for kiddy fiddlers or fundamentalists.

to Buzzcut

I was there: you didn't show any opposition! basically we told you what we thought of you, stole your newspapers, and then I overheard your daft leader say that he conveniently "remembered" he had an urgent appointment in 5 minutes, and had to leave! LOL

Re: No Pasaran

Mr.Buzzcut just seems to enjoy degenerating any points he has into personal attacks! Clever, eh?!

So you're in favour of fascists organising?

The BNP weren't there "airing their dissenting views", as some kind of abstract philosophical point "Commanderson", they were there trying to organise and recruit.

In areas where they organise, racist attacks increase. You either let that happen or you stop it.

You're either being naive or disingenuous to frame this as freedom of speech. The fascists' newspaper claims to be "The Voice of Freedom" as well, doesn't mean that their definition of freedom is one that has anything to do with liberation.

Re: No Pasaran

One of these days (oh, one of these days...) someone who isn't a white, british male will protest about political correctness. What's more, they will have reached the conclusion independently, instead of reading it in the Daily Mail. After that day, I might listen to complaints about PC 'nazis'. Until then, I only wish that you listen to yourselves. The best bit is when advocates of fascism, dominating by ideas of obedience and submission to the leader bemoan how 'brainwashed' the population is.

There is a difference between advocating a change of politics and between inciting racial hatred and the murder and assault of ethnic minorities. A small sample of the politics that the BNP advocate can be seen here: http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg04.htm

Just as you would not support the mafia or sex traffickers publicly advocating their anti-human views (maybe you would, who knows) I think there isn't really an argument about free speech here so much as an argument about protecting cultural variety and ethnic self determination and not. I go with the former.

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The BNP candidate who was standing in the London assembly elections, Nick Eriksen, said: "To suggest rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime, is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence."

He has now withdrawn from the campaign! :) With candidates like these, who needs enemies? Are all your leadership this mad?

Nazis Out!

next BNP meeting?

Please let Indymedia Scotland know where and when your next BNP meeting is, im sure many of us would like to come along and 'exchange ideas'! ;)

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The BNP is nothing like the National Front. The National Front march and were the real hooligans.

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the bnp dont march because we are many they are few,combine all etnic groups who oppose the bnp,the anarchists,socialist types and general leftys and we have a massive crew!if those bastards march we will smash their f***ing brains in with crowbars,those spineless biggots would not dare!

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' The BNP is nothing like the National Front. The National Front march and were the real hooligans.'

The BNP originally split from the NF as they felt the NF were too moderate. Tony Lecomber, the BNP second in command has been nicked for assaulting a Jewish teacher, blowing up an office in south london and manufacturing grenades, detonators and other explosives.
The reason the BNP don't march is that firstly they were confronted at every turn by militant anti-fascists like anti-fascist-action and because their new political tactic is to attempt to appear as a legitimate(is there such a thing?) political party.

Re: No Pasaran

well done, what a bunch of nazi losers

Re: Growing Anti-War Sentiment

get a job anonymous poster.and a bloody haircut!

Re:

??Why don't all the activists on this forum that talk about smashing the far right do it or stop commenting. Read too many anti-fa books or something??

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the far right are still a major problem and one i think we overlook at our peril in scotland. there seems to be to much head in the sand stuff at the moment thinking that there is no threat. we should be organising not just talking. well done to all who did harrass the fash.

Re: So your in favour of facists organising?

Well yes Kate I am, and obviosly you are too if you aprove of mobs bullying a message they find distasteful from the streets. You can have all your little PC excuses why you should adopt facist tactics to fight facism, but it takes but seconds to show this stance as hypocritical, free speech is free speech, and it either exists for all veiw points, or it doesn't exist at all. And it seems not to exist on this forum, as my origonal post has vanished, expunged no doubt by the thought police running this nimby site. So I'll just reiterate the jist of my point, and see how long this one stays up, I'll quote the origonal article again

"Eventually they had their papers taken off them and distributed into the bins. Having no hate rags to sell they then buggered off to a great cheer from all on the street.

We cannot allow these pedlars of hate and bigotry to organize or spread their disease, they must be confronted wherever they rear their ugly, pockmarked heads.

NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISTS!
NO PASARAN!
THEY SHALL NOT PASS! "

Spoken like a true facist! Point made.

Pull them up before they take root?

I think it is a good idea not to allow fascists to go unchallenged. They are weak in scotland right now, so we have a chance to stop them from gaining influence. Some people might buy into their deceitful propaganda about 'freedom' which equates 'indigenous' anglo-saxon people with some sort of an oppressed group, being stood on and crowded out by 'the ethnics' and all that bullshit.

What they stand for is the forcible deportation of non-whites, and they will take away our free speech if we dont stop them. So lets stop them now, before they are strong.

Re: so your in favour of facists organising

I'll make one last attemp at making my opinion heard on this site (which to my mind is showing itself to be far less than independant and the forum far from free as I've had my previous posts under the moniker commanderson deleted, obviosly they were visable for a time as kate responds to my comments, but unfortunately they are no longer there for people to read and make their own mind up about, as the thought police moderating this forum have deemed them too dangeriously logical as to threaten their facist form of anti-facism.
The jist of my comment is, that people lauding the actions of those who chose to use brownshirt type tactics to rid the streets of an opinion they disagreed with, are fundamentally deluded about the natures of freedom and facism. In a free society, any group with any veiwpoint or message can organise and evangelise, in a facist state certain veiwpoints are unable to be aired in public, and personal liberty and freedom of speech are curtailed. So again (now for the third time) I quote the above article

"NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISTS!
NO PASARAN!
THEY SHALL NOT PASS!" -spoken like a true facist.
I know all you lefties (as you like to call even yourselves) have choked down the PC pill soo deeply into your subconcious that your a breath away from declaring your support for a genocide to be unleashed on all racists, and that maybe they should be rounded up and gassed or something. You might like to think of yourselves as libertarians, or freedom lovers, but your main identification of anti-racists, or anti-facists, is turning you into the very ideologues you claim to opose, you are becoming an opo-same. And as far as the BNP goes, youv'e managed to act far more like nazi's than they do. Did a bunch of skinheads surround the socialist stalls and destroy their pamphlets? The facts are that immigration policy along with this state manufactured islamic terrorism is herding people right into the arms of the BNP, and your bullyboy tactics will only engrain peoples racist opinions, and create a siege mentality in the minds of those driven to racist ideologies, driving the movement underground where it becomes even more fanatical and dangerious. The place to have these opinions is in the open, so they can be dismantled with rational discussion, you people looking to combat racism should be highlighting the tricks plaid by the goverments of the world to divide populations into their subsects, as to make their rule that bit easier (and stronger). Wake up sheep, freedom of speech is freedom for all, to quote (i'm not sure who)"I may fundamentally disagree with what your saying, but will defend with my life your right to say it" This should be your watchword as libertarians, but sadly where this little cult of the leftie has lead is into facism. Everyone being able to have their say is essential for us to get out of this orwellian nightmare we're sinking into, so please leave this post here for people to read and think about for themselves

Re: pull them up before they take root

I agree anti-nazi that they should not go unchalenged, but that challenge shouldbe one of apposing ideas combatting their irrational ones. Are you saying you think their rights of free speech should be denied, lest they gain power and curtail yours?

Re: No Pasaran

In response to commanderson and those who seem to not understand the nature of the BNP and equate anti-fascism as somehow fascistic I am posting the text of a leaflet introduction to fascism.

WHAT IS FASCISM?
As much as the term is bandied about to refer to anything from the behaviour of a strict teacher to the “humour” of Bernard Manning, fascism is quite a specific set of ideas and actions.
WHERE COES IT COME FROM?
Fascism is a very right wing, fiercely nationalist, totalitarian ideology which originated in Italy in the early 20th Century to crush the powerful workers movement which was pushing up wages and threatening revolution. Led by Benito Mussolini, they were funded by various big businesses, such as Fiat and Pirelli, to smash picket lines and attack left-wing organisers.
Italian fascism’s counterpart in Germany – Nazism – like most fascists today used racism to further its aims. Again to combat a powerful working class movement the Nazis attempted to direct public anger at the problems caused by capitalism (mass unemployment, poverty, etc.) onto a racial group – the Jews. To undercut the widespread support for the communists, socialists and anarchists the Nazis used anti-capitalist rhetoric against Jews, portraying them as money-grubbing capitalists, when in fact the vast majority of Jews were working class. Like many fascist groups today, they claimed they would initiate a left-wing economic programme with good welfare and high wages – the “socialism” in national socialism. The Nazi leadership had no intention of putting this propaganda into practice though. As soon as the Nazi Party came into power it violently destroyed all progressive working class organisations. The left-wing of the Party - always unacceptable to German business leaders - was then disposed of in the Night of the Long Knives, having served its purpose of aiding in the destruction of the unions and other working class groups. The first to be sent to the concentration camps were not the Jews who they had blamed for all Germany’s problems, but communists and trade unionists.

FASCISM IN THE UK
The most prominent far right group in the UK today are the British National Party(BNP). They are an offshoot of the National Front who were prominent in the '70's and 80's. Under the leadership of Nick Griffin they have grown tremendously, winning over 800,000 votes in the 2004 European elections. Whilst they are still a small group, not much more than a protest vote party, their threat cannot be ignored.
Throughout the 80's and 90's the BNP continued with the tactics of the National Front by attempting to 'control the streets' with violent attacks on different ethnic and social groups as well as protest marches and rallies. They were forced to abandon this tactic due mostly to the militant response of Anti Fascist Action, a militant anti-fascist organization that confronted the far right on the streets. They have since attempted to re-brand themselves as a respectable political party with a left wing economic program and a devotion to law and order. They deny accusations of racism yet have a whites only membership policy, they are also extremely homophobic and describe gays and lesbians as 'perverts' or 'creatures'. They also deny the fact that they are fascist.
Politicians are always economical with the truth and like the German Nazis – who called themselves the National German Socialist Workers Party – the BNP are attempting to seem respectable and to cover up their true fascist, genocidal nature in order to garner widespread support.
To put it simply, they are lying about their true nature.

Could it be true however that they have in fact changed their minds and are not the genocidal scum of yesteryear? Well to find out we have to look no farther than the parties leadership. party leader Nick Griffin has been a member of just about every Nazi sympathising group in the UK. Tony Lecomber, BNP number two, was jailed in '86 for a nail-bomb attack on a south London office. he has also been convicted of making grenades, detonators and bombs as well as for assaulting a Jewish teacher. Other BNP members, including those that have stood in local elections have convictions for assault and stockpiling chemical weapons(Richard Cottage sentenced to 30 months in June '07)

PARTY OF THE WORKING CLASS?

In most places in the UK the BNP have had little success with their ruse of respectability, most people still recognize them for fascist thugs. In some areas in the Midlands and North England they have met with some success. In areas of great poverty they have devoted their efforts to building community support. By appearing to try and deal with the real problems faced by working class people who are ignored by the mainstream political parties. They have also traded heavily on the anti-immigrant hysteria whipped up by the media, in particular the Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express.
Funny that a party that portrays itself as a party for the voiceless should join in the fervour whipped up by media companies that escape paying millions in taxes every year against people having to survive on £39 a week. They use Asylum Seekers and Immigrants as bugbears claiming they are leeching off honest working British folk. What however do the BNP actually think of British working folk? Well they can answer that for themselves.

“What we urgently need and must have to survive is very much less democracy, a very much smaller more carefully selected and more intelligent electorate… Granting a vote to each and every one of the natives of Britain was madness. Lunacy could hardly go further!” [BNP – January 1995]

So we wonder would make up this 'more intelligent electorate'?

HOW CAN WE OPPOSE THEM?
All of the mainstream 'anti-racist' groups encourage people to vote against the BNP. We say that engaging with and voting for the parties who propagate the circumstances that allow the BNP to grow is patently absurd.
Fascists take advantage of people in poverty and attempt to blame poor peoples economic conditions on immigrants or asylum seekers. We need to organize in our communities to fight off anti-social criminals that the police ignore and to demand better services from the council. We need to form residents associations that can build up strength within the community so as we are not pulled apart by the divisive racism of groups like the BNP. Homeless people can take control of empty buildings that are left empty by landlords and property speculators.

We need to come together to re-build workplace organisation based on solidarity, and direct action to win better wages and conditions, and stop the super-exploitation of foreign workers which keeps all of our wages down. Workers in the public sector, with outside support can help combat the privatisation of our services which slashes jobs and service quality.
We must constantly point out whenever and wherever they are encountered that they offer us nothing and would take from us everything. That they are enemies of the working class and see themselves as being superior to us whatever our race, gender or sexuality.
Finally they must be confronted physically. The BNP are fascist thugs no matter how they dress up their despicable politics. They have proven in the past that they are more than willing to use violence against people and it is with violence they must be confronted. The hero of the far right, Adolf Hitler, once said that the only way they(the Nazi Party) could have been stopped would have been if they had been recognized for what they were in their infancy and smashed immediately. This is the only thing we could ever agree with him on.
The use of violence against the far right is not macho posturing but self defence. these groups would like nothing more than to crush our communities and murder us and our neighbours, our friends and our families.
Genocide is not where Fascism begins but it is where it ends.

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You seem to have misunderstood me miserablist, I am not looking to condone fascism or excuse its crimes, and am apposed to it taking root, that is why Iam dismayed to hear so called anti-fascists applauding the fascist tactic of denying the BNP a platform to air their veiws. For us to live in a free society, all opinions must be aired freely so they can be tactled in the open, with rational argument, not the bullyboy tactics of destroying leaflets and intimidation. Fascists and racists must be heard, then their ideology can be dismantled, so I'llask the same question of you I asked anti nazi, should (in your opinion) racists and fascists be denied their right to free speech in public as was done in Glasgow last saturday?

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'should (in your opinion) racists and fascists be denied their right to free speech in public as was done in Glasgow last saturday?'
The far right, imho, must be denied any platform to spread their hate. Allowing them free speech or a platform for their views is not tolerable. Chasing them off the streets, disrupting their meetings, destroying their propaganda and attacking their demonstrations is not fascistic. It is self defence. They are the enemies of the class and should be treated as such.
I posted the contents of that leaflet as you seemed to equate the actions of solid people on Saturday as fascistic. Fascism is not denying people freedom of speech. It is a specific political theory that originates with Mussolinis Fascist party in Italy.
Fascists must be confronted on all levels both ideologically and physically. Their agenda is one of genocide and racial hatred. They must be stopped and cannot, will not be allowed to peddle their line any where.
I have had this argument many times with many people and not one person has ever put forward a decent argument for why the right should be listened to or allowed a platform.
I am not a liberal guardian reader with no understanding of the very real threat that these scum pose to me and my community.
To allow groups like the BNP the freedom to organize and propagate their message is to do a disservice to the brave women and men of the International Brigades and other militias who gave their lives fighting for the revolution against the Falange in Spain and those who died fighting against the spread of the German Nazi party. Not to mention an insult to all those who have been attacked and made to live in fear of these scum.
No Pasaran

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ha ha PWNDD!!!11!!!

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Here is a letter Stephen Cameron, the tall hat-wearing fascist in the photos, wrote for the BNP website, about the incident in glasgow:
http://www.bnp-scotland [no live links to Nazis, thanks!] .co.uk/bnpscotlandletters.html

Charlie Baillie, the old balding white haired fash, is the Glasgow Regional Organiser.

They dont mention the name of the other vacant looking guy on their website.

Re: misserablist

You know, I just cannae immagine what goes on in your head miserablist, I can totally understand why downtrodden people go racist, government floods the country with imigrants, cook up some terrorist insidents, and blame some minority, papers highlight any story where migrants dink us brits. Boom, easy, much of the populus becomes genophobic to "other peoples".
But folk like you who stand up against fascism and racism, with the same tactics and ethos used by the nazi's to quash decent against THEIR ideology, I can not fathom. Theres a sliding scale of degrees between freedom and fascism, and you would assume that you; apposed to fascism, would be in favour of pure freedom, but it seems not, you just wan't to enforce your specific ideology upon people, just like every other bigot. I have beliefs about an over arching conspiracy controlling the world, planning terrorist attacks and blaming skapegoats, now if you see these ideas as dangerious and insidious to the paradigm you live in, you might wan't to quash my movement disrupt my meetings and burn my books. Should it be a crime to say 9/11 inside job? Exaggerated haulocaust to give the west its compound of israel? and various other contentious statements a conspiracy theorist might make. I don't think so, and I think that extends to all ideologies, no matter how hate filled, you gotta let them be heard to diffuse them, half the reason germany accepted hitler was the repression his party was subject to initially, creating a backlash in the population. But I think that the problem with the way you veiw politics, you identify yourself as an anti fascist, rather than a pro-freedomist, start loving freedom rather than hating fascism, cos' as soon as you say NO PLACE for whoever, ( as we had plastered all over here recently) then you just got into being a fascist, congratulations you have become what you hate, and hate will allways take you there, I'm sorry buddy but you just sound like a boot boy for your own propaganda, start loving freedom, and use that free speech to educate the good people against the dangers of racist politics, thats where the solution lies. I'll say it again- free speech for all or it doesn't exist! peace

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"But folk like you who stand up against fascism and racism, with the same tactics and ethos used by the nazi's to quash decent against THEIR ideology, I can not fathom."

I have never used race hate or genocide to further my ideology.

"you just wan't to enforce your specific ideology upon people, just like every other bigot"

No I was not and never have forced my beleifs on any body. you obviusly have no grasp of fascism and what it is that these people put forward. They advocate genocide and racial segregation. They encourage violence against homosexuals and seek total dominance over the country. They give up their right to free speech when they foster racismnd seek the extermination of people based upon their ethnicity or sexuality.

"Should it be a crime to say 9/11 inside job? Exaggerated haulocaust to give the west its compound of israel?"

So you don't beleive the Nazi party exterminated six million jews then? I thnk I see why you have some sympathy for the BNP.

"half the reason germany accepted hitler was the repression his party was subject to initially, creating a backlash in the population."

No Hitler and the nazis used laft wing language and came to power offering many left wing promises. Adolf said himself that the only way they(the nazi's) could have been stopped is if their enemies had recognized them for what they were and smashed them in their infancy.
The only time you'll hear me agreeing with the cunt.

"But I think that the problem with the way you veiw politics, you identify yourself as an anti fascist, rather than a pro-freedomist, start loving freedom rather than hating fascism, cos' as soon as you say NO PLACE for whoever, ( as we had plastered all over here recently) then you just got into being a fascist, congratulations you have become what you hate,"

My goodness. So by me chasing the BNP off the streets of my hometown I all of a sudden start beleiving in totalitarian control over the entire populace, anti-semitism, racism and the use of genocide to ethnically clense the country. I never realized I was so easily swayed.
Pillock

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i totally agree with commanderson re the right to free speech and i also disagree with the fascist idealogy.

far better to educate than deny free speech.

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But I think that the problem with the way you veiw politics, you identify yourself as an anti fascist, rather than a pro-freedomist, start loving freedom rather than hating fascism, cos' as soon as you say NO PLACE for whoever, ( as we had plastered all over here recently) then you just got into being a fascist, congratulations you have become what you hate,"

My goodness. So by me chasing the BNP off the streets of my hometown I all of a sudden start beleiving in totalitarian control over the entire populace, anti-semitism, racism and the use of genocide to ethnically clense the country. I never realized I was so easily swayed.
Pillock

Well yes miserablist, if you believe in using violence against people for just speaking their mind, then you do want totalitarian control, and are no freind of freedom, you seem to have very simplstic notions of politics, like theres only two political perspectives out there, bad nazi's and good socialists (remember they are national socialists), and like if I question conventional history I'm with the genocidists, and am antisemetic, etc.. peoples opinions are way more subtle and maybe if you started using your brain to discover the rich tapestry of opinion out there you could discuss the racists of your hometowns streets rather than use violence.
Do you not understand that threatening the BNP out of buchanan street is no different than if skinheads threatened anachists or socialists out, you'd be screaming bloody murder about nazi thugs denying free speech if that happened. Just wake up buddy, your position is untenable, freespeech is for all, or its not there, get that very simple notion into yer thick skull.

and thanks for the support 4abetterfuture, its good to hear someone out there gets what I'm saying, peace and freedom FOR ALL!

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you have no fucking clue do you

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The anti-social offensive of the fascist right is the alliance of enslaving, feudal, monopoly bourgeois right wingers from the most reactionary sections of the ruling classes. Its hatred and destruction is aimed at destroying the worker-peasant-farmer-student alliance. It refuses the goal of a workers' state which dismantles the wrong doings of the former exploiting ruling classes. It does not represent the majority of the peoples in each country as that is in truth the workers of each country. Fascism is the crisis of Imperialism the last stage of capitalism and permanent war, which it uses to subjugate the insurgent working classes and their emerging workers state. It is true to destroy it as it starts its fight to kill all things living , such as the ecological balance of life , plants animals and peoples. The green power movement is a salient movement of liberation which points away to a future without exploitation of plants, animals, and peoples. The fascists make war, class against class, nation against nation, empire against empire, religion against religios, gender against gender, workers against workers, and all to the destruction and alienation of life on the planet. In short they fight to die. The liberation side fights to move away from the rule of militarism and its polluted destruction of the planet. Liberation is for the freeing of the species by doubling democracy and electing woman equally at all levels. In short the liberation side fights to live and the fascist side fights to die. Those two different goals are not always amienable to freedom and free speech as life has storms, and one cancels the other as the waves move on. It is not absolute truth to give fascists free speech to carry their genocidal suicide progarmmes against the worlds life. In fact the worlds majority in actual practice thinks and does kill fascists wherever they are found. That is the practice of the first Canadian Divison, which also thinks that the death progamme for all life is worth destroying by all and every means available. There is no true third way for the workers of the world to unite. They must build a workers state to be the instrument to dismantle all previous wrongheaded practice and put in place a society that refuses all forms of exploitation of the worlds livability. Liberation is a long but true way home. Fascism is death to the planet. I thank and work to remove fascist from all spaces in society and will never stop till the polluting war machine against all peoples and livability on the planet is gone forever. No Pasaran!! Madrid will be the true death bed of fascism on planet earth.

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You're doing it again, Commanderson. Sophistry with aim of bolstering the BNP's claims to "political legitimacy". They are not just another political party

Nazis, fascists, the BNP, selling papers isn't "speaking their mind", like some disgruntled granny at a coffee morning. It's an attempt to win people over to a genocidal philosophy.

You know that as well as I do, yet you have a bee on your bonnet about their supposed right to organise and recruit unopposed.

In my experience the only people who have a problem with the idea of No Platform for fascists are either:
(a) naive liberals, insulated from the violence that organised fascist groups promote; or
(b) fascists, who find that No Platform works and hurts their ability to organise.

I think it's clear which you are.

Re: No Pasaran

You, commanderson, are either a Fascist sympathizer or a naive liberal who has never experienced the terror these people want to instigate.
Free speech doesn't mean much when you're stuffed into a cattle train and on your way to a camp.
Nor does it mean much when you are being starved to death in a ghetto.

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"Free speech doesn't mean much when you're stuffed into a cattle train and on your way to a camp.
Nor does it mean much when you are being starved to death in a ghetto."

Then it is our job to better educate our young, obviously our forefathers did not do a good enough job on that front.
Incidentally people are starving to death in ghettos today, it may not be obvious but poverty in UK kills. An illusion of freedom is all we have... the freedom to live in substandard housing, forced into debt and slavery. I could go on but wont.
Peaceful means are the only way forward FULL STOP

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"You need to combat fascism and racism with intelligent argument, and its becoming more apparent why you feel the need to resort to violence to tackle them - cos' your a total moron with no ability for reasoned discourse."

I have offered reasoned discourse, you however seem to have no idea what the BNP actually are. You cannot reason with people like the ones that were on the streets of Glasgow that day. They are confirmed fascists.
You have offered no satisfactory argument against physically combating the far right. I do not only advocate the use of force against them and you will see that if you read the contents of the leaflet I posted above.

"Peaceful means are the only way forward FULL STOP "

Try saying that to the families who have had their lives threatened because of their colour or those brave people who have fought and died to combat the spread of Fascism.
Whist peaceful means are preferable they have also been shown to be almost wholly ineffective. and please don't go starting on about Ghandi or Martin Luther King, they were a part of a wider movement that included guerrilla warfare in India and the armed Black Panthers in the US.

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this is a circular argument which will go nowhere, as is always the case with any thread over 7 messages long as far as i've noticed.

well done people.

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Look miserablist, your reasoned argument is that you disagree with what these people say, so they should be prevented from saying it, thats it. It doesn't mater blah, blah, fascism's really bad and they've killed millions, so have commies, capitalists, catholics, royalists and any other group you might name (oh yea socialists too!) So get real buddy, either accept the fact your a fascist, run of and join the BNP and use your free speech to spread your totalitarian message, or drop your ludicrious stance of; Freedom!,.... well accept for these guys that I really hate. Dumbass

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"Look miserablist, your reasoned argument is that you disagree with what these people say, so they should be prevented from saying it, thats it."

Have you understood anything I've said? It's not a disagreement about whether or not they like fucking marmite! It's about self defence. These people cannot be allowed to organize as the end result of that is genocide and totalitarianism.
Liberals like you (I'm giving you the benefit of tyhe doubt by assuming you're not a fash troll) can sit back in your cosy fucking armchair and tut as us uncouth oiks all you want but at the end of the day it's my community that is being threatened by these bastards and I will defend both myself and the interests of my class and community with my mind, my voice and when necessary my boots.

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the comment from anoneemousee is not mine by the way.

19th April

The BNP were back trying to sell their newspaper "The Voice of Freedom" this Saturday afternoon, opposite Schuh on Buchanan Street.

According to their blog, "Glasgow held another successful paper sale". In fact, they were forced to leave by crowds of passers-by and folk from other stalls shouting "Nazis off our streets". This needs to continue until the BNP realise that Nazis are not welcome here, or anywhere else.

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Nice one freedom lovers, my posts have again been selectively removed, no dissent against the party line on this site huh? Well adious commrades, see you in room 101 -commanderson

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